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why more traditional artworks get less response then the usuall photobashed stuff  does? medium level artists can pull of collages pretty easily but they cant pull of more painting heavy pieces...

its just sad to see that artists out there who put lots of effort into the paintings never get the credit as the guy who bashes 3 photos together and puts lens flares on top
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:icongr4y-inu:
we live in the age of information overflow, same applies to DA, simply put there are way more digital are than traditional, therefore traditional gets lost and it may seem that people appreciate digital are more. also take in consideration that people like more what they understand, here are not so many really good digital artists right (even less traditional ones), so all million people who "bashes 3 photos together and puts lens flares on top" like same people simply because they don't have understanding and appreciation of what it takes to be good at traditional art. even more extreme it's in photography, cuz everyone takes photos never looking into it too deeper, good photographer just get lost in sea of images.
hope that makes sense.
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:iconjohnnyjester:
~johnnyjester Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Actually, I think traditional artworks get MORE attention if they are done really well. But as you said....it takes more skill and time to do these works. People err on the side of efficiency as you well know being a speed painter yourself. The vast majority of works done are made to suit a short term purpose. Where's the incentive to make more traditional artworks? If incentive were there we'd see more of the traditional art you mentioned.
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:iconartefilippo:
~artefilippo Jan 31, 2013  Professional General Artist
There is one solution perhaps... The most of DA users are "well" educated artists :D I'm ironic of course.
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:iconwhatthebooty:
I agree with L4Evo.

Furthermore, I'd like to add that I think people are more readily able to appreciate a photo-chopped piece because it does look fairly good without a huge amount of learning or experience put into it. This almost pre-made look is easily digested because it has the superficial evidence of being completed and polished to a high degree due to the high texture density, good value range, and everything else that comes at much less of a price (in hours spent, skill gained, etc.) when using photos.

When the masses see a collage-type piece, they see those pieces of evidence that they can recognize as hints of quality work. This might be reading too much into it, but these types of people might even prefer this kind of work because subconsciously this is the highest level of skill they are willing to work towards.

When painters who slave countless hours to perfect their craft see a collage like this, they might click the thumbnail, and be appalled because they can tell within half a second that they've been duped into looking at a photoshop-hack job.

Anyway, this is all to say that I agree with the sentiment of feeling neglected as a painter, but I (have to?) believe that the market forces do recognize the relative rarity of artists and painters who spend the time learning those fundamentals and exercising their brains-- you don't see much work asking for someone who is an "expert in photomanipulation."

--cheers
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:iconl4evo:
I think that any artist who has spent some serious time learning how to draw and paint will always appreciate these more traditional and painting heavy pieces. Why? Because they understand the basic principles of perspective, values, color theory, anatomy, etc... Moreover, they understand just how much effort it takes to learn these things and how much effort it takes to apply this knowledge and actually produce a painting that looks good.

On the other hand, someone who never spent time learning the core principles and actually practice painting can't really appreciate these pieces as much and they get lured away to seemingly beautiful traced images and "photo-realistic" manipulations.

Well here is the thing - talent doesn't really exist when it comes to art (well it does in a small way) - but talent is maybe 2% and 98% is hard work. Just the other day I was browsing through some comments on the Levi's speedpaintings and someone said: "Omg you did this in 2 hours?? I wish I had your talent"...The thing is that it's all about hard work, Levi spent thousands of hours sketching, drawing and painting to get to this level. And even though these speedpaintings are produced in ~2 hours you can see that they were done by someone with great understanding of fundamentals. And this what art is all about, the ability to capture the essence, mood and emotions in simple and loose brush strokes - and you can't do that without significant knowledge AND practice.

People like quick photobashing because it's easy. However when it comes to drawing and painting people watch tutorials and they get frustrated and give up because they don't get the same results. They blame the software they used, they blame the Photoshop brushes or the type of tablet they use. But these are all just tools. Tools and talent don't make you a good artist. But hard work does.

TL;DR: I would rather have a speedpainting from Levi/Andree/jama on my wall than 99% of the most popular stuff here on DA.
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~rebel28 Jan 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Hmmm..

I've never noticed. It's probably because I usually don't like photobashed stuff, unless it is absolutely fantastic.

Meaning matter more to me than skill.
That said, I value the skill of traditional art (and digital painting) more than "photobashing".

Actual painting gives the artist more control over the artwork, and a lot more responsibility.
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:iconsmyliart:
So true... Sad.
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:iconyinetyang:
Well, I'm with you for the most part. Actually I started digital painting about 6 onths ago and I believe I've learnt and improved myself big time since then. It raises up the question of why do we do art.
Before my digital paint experiment I've been doing some photography for years and get a good level (but nothing astonishing). Even had 2 DD but the rest of my production was widely ignored. I believe there were quite good pictures though. My point is, yes, it's disappointing to see every day on DA asses and boobs and poorly framed/exposed/composed pictures getting that much interest, faves, etc.... Gosh! The people doing those piece of cr...p claim it's art anyway and that you're too shallow to get it. Very frustrating. But at the end of the day, it's the creating progress that is important. The pleasure you take doing it. The rest is just bonus.
As others said, this is representative of the audience here. I don't blame DA anymore, among all the amount of pictures there is still good, excellent ones and the "deviantwatch" button saves the whole experience by selecting artists. That's why I'm always happy to see new follower (yeah, the two ones in the background, thank you for following me!!!! :D).
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~Meteorskies Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I second that though, I do wonder all the time.
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:iconsaurabhinator:
I honestly don't think I've seen this phenomenon.
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